I had both these a few years back. I actually thought and were sold as if they were Epi Japans relabeled Gibson but alas they were all Chibson. I paid $250 for the Red one and it had been releveled,new pickups,nut,wiring and played much better than out of box but not great,The Floyd one was $200, also from Craigslist,It needed a new Floyd,wiring,pickups,nut,reseat some frets,etc... I opted too trade both too a builder/luthier he removed the Gibson Logos and put in place his own which was cool. He uses them as test mules for pickups,wiring,etc.....