Marshall SC212 Cabinet

[Leperclown]

Hi all, I have the opportunity to buy 1 of these cabs unloaded.

However, the cab seems to be made for a 20 watt tube amp (SC20H).

I was wondering if the cab would be sturdy enough for these two scenarios:

1 - 2 x 12 Celestion Redbacks (150 watts each) as extension cab for JVM410C or for Kemper Power Rack (around 300 watts max)
and
2 - 2 x 12 Kemper Kones (200 watts each) for Kemper Power Rack (around 400 watts max)

Many thnaks in advance!

Paul

 

[Dogs of Doom]

it should be fine...

If looking at Celestion, similarly to the Kemper speaker, look at this one:

The world's first Full Range Live Response speaker - Celestion

The F12-X200 is the world’s first Full Range LIVE Response guitar speaker: a full range loudspeaker for amp modellers and IRs that feels like you're palying through a real guitar speaker

celestion.com

 

[ken Tucky]

Hi all, I have the opportunity to buy 1 of these cabs unloaded.

However, the cab seems to be made for a 20 watt tube amp (SC20H).

I was wondering if the cab would be sturdy enough for these two scenarios:

1 - 2 x 12 Celestion Redbacks (150 watts each) as extension cab for JVM410C or for Kemper Power Rack (around 300 watts max)
and
2 - 2 x 12 Kemper Kones (200 watts each) for Kemper Power Rack (around 400 watts max)

Many thnaks in advance!

Paul

I'd hold out for a used JVMC212.

Marshall JVMC212 140-watt 2x12" Extension Cabinet

140-watt, 16-ohm. 2x12" Open-back Cabinet with Celestion Vintage 30 and Heritage Speakers, and Birch Plywood Construction

www.sweetwater.com

 

[Leperclown]

it should be fine...

If looking at Celestion, similarly to the Kemper speaker, look at this one:

The world's first Full Range Live Response speaker - Celestion

The F12-X200 is the world’s first Full Range LIVE Response guitar speaker: a full range loudspeaker for amp modellers and IRs that feels like you're palying through a real guitar speaker

celestion.com

DoD,
many thanks. The Celestions FRLR's get good reviews, but I already have 2 Kones.
Cheers
Paul

 

[Leperclown]

I'd hold out for a used JVMC212.

Marshall JVMC212 140-watt 2x12" Extension Cabinet

140-watt, 16-ohm. 2x12" Open-back Cabinet with Celestion Vintage 30 and Heritage Speakers, and Birch Plywood Construction

www.sweetwater.com

Hey Ken,
I have had that cab before and it's killer. However, a vertical unloaded cab suits me best as I need that configuration and I have a few spare speakers. (I also have some Celestion Neo V types that I will put in the JVCM410C to try to get the eight down - it's killing my back!).

Cheers & thanks
Paul

 

[DirtySteve]

The cab itself doesn't care what speakers you put in it.

 

[Leperclown]

The cab itself doesn't care what speakers you put in it.

Hey Dirty Steve, I agree. However, I am focussing on the power that would be fed into the speakers. Given the box was made to match a lowered powered tube amp (20w) I was wondering if the construction of the box would be tough enough to handle 100 watts tube and / or 200 - 400 watts (solid state) without creaking, squeaking or falling apart.

Cheers!

Paul

 

[fitz]

I am focussing on the power that would be fed into the speakers. Given the box was made to match a lowered powered tube amp (20w) I was wondering if the construction of the box would be tough enough to handle 100 watts tube and / or 200 - 400 watts (solid state) without creaking, squeaking or falling apart.

Jack cup screws are going to be your weak link.
Maybe it's just me, but I'd love to see someone actually blow the jack cup out of the back panel with speaker pressure waves...

 

[DirtySteve]

Hey Dirty Steve, I agree. However, I am focussing on the power that would be fed into the speakers. Given the box was made to match a lowered powered tube amp (20w) I was wondering if the construction of the box would be tough enough to handle 100 watts tube and / or 200 - 400 watts (solid state) without creaking, squeaking or falling apart.

Cheers!

Paul

That's what I was saying. The cab is fine no matter what you put in it. I've never heard of a cab being constructed differently to be used with higher wattage. No cab has to be used with a certain amp, you can use them with whatever amp you want and you're talking about a genuine made in the UK Marshall Ply cab. The SC cab is "dressed" to match the SC head, but that doesn't mean it was constructed to only handle a 20 watt amp, it can be used with any amp. It's the speakers you have to worry about being able to handle the wattage.

 

[Mrmadd]

Why are you trying to blow 200 watts out of such a small profile cabinet?

If you really want the Tone that kind of power ca deliver, give your amp some breathing room and use 2x12 ir even best 4x12..

Your first guess is correct questioning whether or not it will work.

 

[Mrmadd]

Or even sound good

 

[Keysdweller]

That's what I was wondering. Where are you going to be playing where you need 100 watts maxed out? The cabinet originally comes with two 70 watt speakers with 140 watt rating. It would definitely take 100 watts. If I was going to be playing venues that would need 100 watts of tube power, I would get one or two 412 cabinets. If you're playing venues that big, you can afford to hire someone to carry your cabinets.

 

[Leperclown]

Why are you trying to blow 200 watts out of such a small profile cabinet?

If you really want the Tone that kind of power ca deliver, give your amp some breathing room and use 2x12 ir even best 4x12..

Your first guess is correct questioning whether or not it will work.

Hey Mrmadd,
the primary purpose of the cab would be to run a Kemper power rack (600watts) through it, with 2x 200watt Kones. I've noticed with the Kemper, you have to lean on the volume for it to cut through.

While I like the form factor, I am starting to think the SC 212 is not suitable.

Cheers & thanks
Paul

 

[Leperclown]

That's what I was wondering. Where are you going to be playing where you need 100 watts maxed out? The cabinet originally comes with two 70 watt speakers with 140 watt rating. It would definitely take 100 watts. If I was going to be playing venues that would need 100 watts of tube power, I would get one or two 412 cabinets. If you're playing venues that big, you can afford to hire someone to carry your cabinets.

Absolutely right about the need (or lack of!) for 100watts (tube) maxed out. Unfortunately, in the past, I have have cabs rated at high wattages that started squeaking at lower volumes.

 

[Leperclown]

Based on the above input, I have passed on the SC 212.

I much appreciate all the input.

Cheers & thanks!

Paul

 

[Mrmadd]

I have reached my favorite tones from a 1960A cab.
Something about the size and the fit for the drivers, the tone is just complete.

No fun to carry places.

 

[Keysdweller]

I have reached my favorite tones from a 1960A cab.
Something about the size and the fit for the drivers, the tone is just complete.

No fun to carry places.

I've used the 1960A for years and it's my favorite also. Like you said, not fun to carry around at my older age but I don't play venues that need big watts and 412 cabinets anymore. I have ordered the 1936 2x12 version of the 1960A. I also have on backorder the 1960B, ST212 and 2536A cabinets. I recently received the SC212 cabinet that I'm breaking in. I have been using the Marshall Studio amps lately and have a HeadRush modeler and FRFR speaker I use.