Utah Solves Homelessness-gives People Homes!

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In 2005, Utah had almost two thousand chronically homeless people. Most of them had mental-health or substance-abuse issues, or both. The standard approach was to try to make homeless people “housing ready”: first, you got people into shelters or halfway houses and put them into treatment; only when they made progress could they get a chance at permanent housing. Utah embraced a different strategy, called Housing First: it started by just giving the homeless homes.

Handing mentally ill substance abusers the keys to a new place may sound like an example of wasteful government spending, but it turned out to be the opposite: over time, Housing First has saved the government money. Homeless people are not cheap to take care of. The cost of shelters, emergency-room visits, ambulances, police, and so on quickly piles up. Lloyd Pendleton, the director of Utah’s Homeless Task Force, told me of one individual whose care one year cost nearly a million dollars, and said that, with the traditional approach, the average chronically homeless person used to cost Salt Lake City more than twenty thousand dollars a year. Putting someone into permanent housing costs the state just eight thousand dollars, and that’s after you include the cost of the case managers who work with the formerly homeless to help them adjust. The same is true elsewhere. A Colorado study found that the average homeless person cost the state forty-three thousand dollars a year, while housing that person would cost just seventeen thousand dollars.

Housing First isn’t just cost-effective. It’s more effective, period. The old model assumed that before you could put people into permanent homes you had to deal with their underlying issues—get them to stop drinking, take their medication, and so on. Otherwise, it was thought, they’d end up back on the streets. But it’s hard to get people to make such changes when they’re living in a shelter or on the street. “If you move people into permanent supportive housing first, and then give them help, it seems to work better,” Nan Roman, the president and C.E.O. of the National Alliance for Homelessness, says “It’s intuitive, in a way. People do better when they have stability.” Utah’s first pilot program placed seventeen people in homes scattered around Salt Lake City, and after twenty-two months not one of them was back on the streets. In the years since, the number of Utah’s chronically homeless has fallen by seventy-four per cent.
The chronically homeless are only a small percentage of the total homeless population. Most homeless people are victims of economic circumstances or of a troubled family environment, and are homeless for shorter stretches of time. The challenge, particularly when it comes to families with children, is insuring that people don’t get trapped in the system. And here, too, the same principles have been used, in an approach called Rapid Rehousing: the approach is to quickly put families into homes of their own, rather than keep them in shelters or transitional housing while they get housing-ready. The economic benefits of keeping people from getting swallowed by the shelter system can be immense: a recent Georgia study found that a person who stayed in an emergency shelter or transitional housing was five times as likely as someone who received rapid rehousing to become homeless again.

Surprised that solidly conservative Utah has embraced such a liberal approach like giving homeless people homes? In fact, Housing First has become the rule in hundreds of cities around the country, in states both red and blue. And while the Obama Administration has put a lot of weight (and money) behind these efforts, the original impetus for them on a national scale came from the Bush Administration’s homelessness czar Philip Mangano. The fight against homelessness has bipartisan support, because people are willing to pay for this. They can see that there is a working solution and it saves money.

It makes sense to spend money today in order to save money later. That isn’t confined to homeless policy. It has animated successful social initiatives around the world. For over a decade, Mexico has paid parents to keep their children in school. Studies suggest that the program is very cost-effective, when we take into account the economic benefits of a more educated and healthy population. Brazil has a similar program, Bolsa Familia. Traditional justification for such initiatives has been a humanitarian. But a cost-benefit analysis suggests that such programs are also economically rational.

We tend to deal with problems only after they happen, rather than spending up front to prevent their happening in the first place. We spend more on disaster relief than on disaster preparedness. We spend enormous sums on treating and curing disease and chronic illness, instead of investing in primary care and prevention. This is costly in both human and monetary terms. Housing First is a new way of thinking about social programs: what seems like a cost may actually be a very wise investment.
 

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Sounds like fudged numbers to me. How does it cost Colorado and average of 43k per year per homeless person? That's well above the median take home of a working family.
 

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If those numbers are correct, we have bigger problems than homelessness.
 

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Hey I have a better idea, lets move all the chronically homeless to Elk Grove CA right next door to old man Biddlin! He can keep them all happily entertained with his Epiphones! Free guitar lessons to the homeless! Open mic night on Biddlin's front lawn, man this will keep them all busy LOL!
 

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Hey I have a better idea, lets move all the chronically homeless to Elk Grove CA right next door to old man Biddlin! He can keep them all happily entertained with his Epiphones! Free guitar lessons to the homeless! Open mic night on Biddlin's front lawn, man this will keep them all busy LOL!
I've got a better one, they could live in the hundreds of empty houses, un-occupied because of the recession. We have a neighbourhood full of them. A VA report foud that statistically there are 4 available houses for every homeless veteran in the US. To have veterans, mothers and children living in shelters or on the street, when the evidence clearly shows that it is cheaper and more effective to house them first is senseless and immoral.
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I'm with Biddlin.
I heard about that strategy in Utah years ago.

I'm interested because where I live we have a boom in house prices, high rents, and many people unable to find an affordable place to live.

Surprised that solidly conservative Utah has embraced such a liberal approach like giving homeless people homes?

I'm not surprised. I know we can't talk about politics here, and I don't have an axe to grind one way or another... but I'm not surprised.

Just thinking in the abstract realms... I can imagine conservative people wanting very much to solve their local social problems, such as housing, with a local solution. They don't want central government to get involved. That could activate no end of paperwork!

Anybody, of any political persuasion, would reason that it's probably better to be charitable at heart and aim for a local solution in one's own neighbourhood than to get caught up in a gigantic bureaucracy.
 

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I've got a better one, they could live in the hundreds of empty houses, un-occupied because of the recession. We have a neighbourhood full of them. A VA report foud that statistically there are 4 available houses for every homeless veteran in the US. To have veterans, mothers and children living in shelters or on the street, when the evidence clearly shows that it is cheaper and more effective to house them first is senseless and immoral.
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Center stage right next to those palm trees :yesway:
 

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Some people don't even want to see those people walking around, so they'd rather get some money together and "put them away" somewhere so we can't see 'em. Just sweep them under the rug!

The other day a "street guy" thanked me for not discriminating him. You know what I did? I just stopped and listened to what he was saying. He basically thanked me for not ignoring him.
 

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In 2005, Utah had almost two thousand chronically homeless people. Most of them had mental-health or substance-abuse issues, or both. The standard approach was to try to make homeless people “housing ready”: first, you got people into shelters or halfway houses and put them into treatment; only when they made progress could they get a chance at permanent housing. Utah embraced a different strategy, called Housing First: it started by just giving the homeless homes.

Handing mentally ill substance abusers the keys to a new place may sound like an example of wasteful government spending, but it turned out to be the opposite: over time, Housing First has saved the government money. Homeless people are not cheap to take care of. The cost of shelters, emergency-room visits, ambulances, police, and so on quickly piles up. Lloyd Pendleton, the director of Utah’s Homeless Task Force, told me of one individual whose care one year cost nearly a million dollars, and said that, with the traditional approach, the average chronically homeless person used to cost Salt Lake City more than twenty thousand dollars a year. Putting someone into permanent housing costs the state just eight thousand dollars, and that’s after you include the cost of the case managers who work with the formerly homeless to help them adjust. The same is true elsewhere. A Colorado study found that the average homeless person cost the state forty-three thousand dollars a year, while housing that person would cost just seventeen thousand dollars.

Housing First isn’t just cost-effective. It’s more effective, period. The old model assumed that before you could put people into permanent homes you had to deal with their underlying issues—get them to stop drinking, take their medication, and so on. Otherwise, it was thought, they’d end up back on the streets. But it’s hard to get people to make such changes when they’re living in a shelter or on the street. “If you move people into permanent supportive housing first, and then give them help, it seems to work better,” Nan Roman, the president and C.E.O. of the National Alliance for Homelessness, says “It’s intuitive, in a way. People do better when they have stability.” Utah’s first pilot program placed seventeen people in homes scattered around Salt Lake City, and after twenty-two months not one of them was back on the streets. In the years since, the number of Utah’s chronically homeless has fallen by seventy-four per cent.
The chronically homeless are only a small percentage of the total homeless population. Most homeless people are victims of economic circumstances or of a troubled family environment, and are homeless for shorter stretches of time. The challenge, particularly when it comes to families with children, is insuring that people don’t get trapped in the system. And here, too, the same principles have been used, in an approach called Rapid Rehousing: the approach is to quickly put families into homes of their own, rather than keep them in shelters or transitional housing while they get housing-ready. The economic benefits of keeping people from getting swallowed by the shelter system can be immense: a recent Georgia study found that a person who stayed in an emergency shelter or transitional housing was five times as likely as someone who received rapid rehousing to become homeless again.

Surprised that solidly conservative Utah has embraced such a liberal approach like giving homeless people homes? In fact, Housing First has become the rule in hundreds of cities around the country, in states both red and blue. And while the Obama Administration has put a lot of weight (and money) behind these efforts, the original impetus for them on a national scale came from the Bush Administration’s homelessness czar Philip Mangano. The fight against homelessness has bipartisan support, because people are willing to pay for this. They can see that there is a working solution and it saves money.

It makes sense to spend money today in order to save money later. That isn’t confined to homeless policy. It has animated successful social initiatives around the world. For over a decade, Mexico has paid parents to keep their children in school. Studies suggest that the program is very cost-effective, when we take into account the economic benefits of a more educated and healthy population. Brazil has a similar program, Bolsa Familia. Traditional justification for such initiatives has been a humanitarian. But a cost-benefit analysis suggests that such programs are also economically rational.

We tend to deal with problems only after they happen, rather than spending up front to prevent their happening in the first place. We spend more on disaster relief than on disaster preparedness. We spend enormous sums on treating and curing disease and chronic illness, instead of investing in primary care and prevention. This is costly in both human and monetary terms. Housing First is a new way of thinking about social programs: what seems like a cost may actually be a very wise investment.



Whoever signed off on that, flunked economics. :rolleyes:
 

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Nope ... the drug dealers are. Over doses are epidemic. The homeless are camped out on the law courts lawns in Victoria and won a court decision to leave them alone. A good number of them like the streets and the lifestyle that accompanies it. Now runaway teens are making their way into the homeless camps.
 

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So if I'm understanding this correctly..If I'm living in Utah I can develop a drug and/or booze addiction, go into rehab, and get a free house?

Wow..:scratch:

The part I'm not getting is how does the state put someone into permament housing for only eight grand? The last time I looked you couldn't even buy a decent used car for that much. Are they having to make payments on their new homes or are they simply getting a freebie place to live? And if they are making payments, how? Are they being given jobs as well?
 
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