V30 and Greenback mix

[Alestir]

Hello everyone,

I've been running a DSL40CR into a Orange 2x12 cabinet with 2 V30's. I've never played through V30's and am definitely hearing what many describe as a mid spike. and they sound a little grindy to me.

I prefer Greenbacks, so what would be the possible verdict of running one Greenback and one V30 in the Orange 2x12? I see Greenbacks are 98dB and the V30 is 100dB. There shouldn't be any problems with the V30 drowning out the Greenback, correct?

Any other issues I may run into or any other suggestions?

Thanks

 

[Gutch220]

V30's are definitely very 'noticeable'. But when combined you might get something else even better. Kinda like 1+1=3
gotta break them in though

 

[Dogs of Doom]

GB gets drowned out...

 

[JBA]

It’s not so bad of a mix on a vert with the greenback on top. As you back away from the cab the mix definitely changes from the greenback towards the v30. Of course all the usual comb filtering also occurs. Would never do this mix on a horizontal cab.

Looks like your looking at the Chinese 25w, so I’m commenting for this model specifically.

 

[Trumpet Rider]

GB gets drowned out...

Exactly. I have a 2×V30 and a 4×GB. When I run them at the same time all I hear is the 2×.

 

[Alestir]

Exactly. I have a 2×V30 and a 4×GB. When I run them at the same time all I hear is the 2×.

That seems to be the consensus which I was thinking might be an issue anyway.

Is there anything to couple with a V30 in a 2x12 diagonal cab that will chill that thing out? As mentioned I've liked the Greenback in the past for what i play.

The V30 may be fine through quite a few amps, but through a DSL its very bright. I have the DSL's treble turned all the way down, which I hate to do. Its just not what I am looking for.

 

[Dogs of Doom]

H30...

which, there is a greenback version, but then there's also one (70th ann), that sounds closer to an old 65 watter...

I tend to like the 55hz version:

there's another, identical, except 75hz:

70th ann:

The top 2 will be like adding a greenback, but w/ equal efficiency. The bottom, won't sound like a greenback, but, will smooth out the V30 a bit...

 

[JBA]

That seems to be the consensus which I was thinking might be an issue anyway.

Is there anything to couple with a V30 in a 2x12 diagonal cab that will chill that thing out? As mentioned I've liked the Greenback in the past for what i play.

The V30 may be fine through quite a few amps, but through a DSL its very bright. I have the DSL's treble turned all the way down, which I hate to do. Its just not what I am looking for.

The greenback / v30 cab is convenient for recording. I’ve never found a combination of any speakers that were better than a pair of the same. Where you stand, which one is on the top or which side all become shitty at some point when you move around or for you vs someone else at a different angle. 2x12’s and 4x12’s already have enough phase (polar response issues). Two different speakers just causes more of a mess. I really don’t understand why folks try this for anything other than recording.

 

[Alestir]

The greenback / v30 cab is convenient for recording. I’ve never found a combination of any speakers that were better than a pair of the same. Where you stand, which one is on the top or which side all become shitty at some point when you move around or for you vs someone else at a different angle. 2x12’s and 4x12’s already have enough phase (polar response issues). Two different speakers just causes more of a mess. I really don’t understand why folks try this for anything other than recording.

Ok, I get that! I talked to the owner of Scumback as well. He had a couple good ideas! One was replacing the V30's with 2 BM75's. He came to that conclusion because I mentioned early EVH tone and Ritchie Blackmore.

That is more and more sounding like the best idea. I really appreciate all the input! Its so hard to do this crap when you have to order and HOPE it works out.

 

[JeffMcLeod]

The solution is to try it and see how you like it. If you don't, you can always change back.

I paired a V30 with a GT12-75 in a 212 cab and the V30 totally dominated. Took it right out. DSL20HR.

 

[Ufoscorpion]

Many speaker cab manufacturers pair v30’s with greenbacks . But hey what do they know ????

 

[Chris-in-LA]

V30’s are louder than Greenbacks or G12-t75’s. It’s probably better if you mix speakers with the same sensitivity. I recently swapped out a V30 for a Celestion gold in my 2x12. Seems to be a good mix and they have the same rating. You might be better off mixing Greenbacks and G12-t75’s as they have the same sensitivity, both are quieter than a V30.

 

[tonycaster]

I use a V30/creamback G12M65 combo, to me it's a great match for my '78 2203. In a live context, you can choose whichever speaker you mic, based on your needs: V30 a little more bite, Creamback warmer

 

[spacerocker]

The solution is to try it and see how you like it. If you don't, you can always change back.

I paired a V30 with a GT12-75 in a 212 cab and the V30 totally dominated. Took it right out. DSL20HR.

Yes - THIS!

I get so fed up with reading "oh V30s and G12T75s in an "X" pattern is the ultimate speaker combination" - I tried it and thought so too - until I realised all I was really hearing was the V30s! It might work in Youtube clips where the speakers are mic'ed separately and mixed together at equal volumes - but in the real world, the V30s take over. I realised this when I played through all-V30 cabs for the first time!

As for smoothing out the V30s - how old are the speakers? I know from experience new V30s are a bit harsh and "raspy" - but they do smooth out considerably after they have been played for a few 100 hours.......

 

[JBA]

Many speaker cab manufacturers pair v30’s with greenbacks . But hey what do they know ????

To be fair they hype stuff, people buy it, and they make money: they kinda have an agenda to profit.

 

[JeffMcLeod]

Yes - THIS!

I get so fed up with reading "oh V30s and G12T75s in an "X" pattern is the ultimate speaker combination" - I tried it and thought so too - until I realised all I was really hearing was the V30s! It might work in Youtube clips where the speakers are mic'ed separately and mixed together at equal volumes - but in the real world, the V30s take over. I realised this when I played through all-V30 cabs!

As for smoothing out the V30s - how old are the speakers? I know from experience new V30s are a bit harsh and "raspy" - but they do smooth out considerably after they have been played for a few 100 hours.......

Yeah mine was brand new. I only played it for about 4-5 hours, so maybe I didn't give it a chance to break in.

 

[spacerocker]

Yeah mine was brand new. I only played it for about 4-5 hours, so maybe I didn't give it a chance to break in.

Ah! Give them a few gigs or loud band practices (if you are gigging?) V30s sound terribly "raspy" at first (the sort of way Orange Amps sound as standard ) - but they smooth out a lot with use!

 

[Alestir]

Ah! Give them a few gigs or loud band practices (if you are gigging?) V30s sound terribly "raspy" at first (the sort of way Orange Amps sound as standard ) - but they smooth out a lot with use!

Yeah, these V30's are brand new. I probably have about 50 hours on them and will let someone else finish breaking them in

As suggested I'll be using 2 of the same speaker in this cab, so actually was thinking about 2 of the G12H Heritage. That's 40 watts of amp going into 60 watts of cab, though. Is that asking a little much of those speakers if goosing it up a bit on stage?

I did notice WGS has their Green Beret at 25 watts, but also a bigger brother named the Invader at 50 watts.

Anyone with experience playing those speakers?

Thanks

 

[Ufoscorpion]

To be fair they hype stuff, people buy it, and they make money: they kinda have an agenda to profit.

You could probably apply that logic to any gear really .

 

[spacerocker]

As suggested I'll be using 2 of the same speaker in this cab, so actually was thinking about 2 of the G12H Heritage. That's 40 watts of amp going into 60 watts of cab, though. Is that asking a little much of those speakers if goosing it up a bit on stage?

I would think (unless you run your amp absolutely flat-out all of the time) - that they would be fine.......