DSL20C or 20CR for small apartment

[PelliX]

It'd be nice if I could find a boss multi that just has a few analog things such as a compression sustainer and delay.

Define analog. I guess anything chip based doesn't count, so even then the older BOSS COSM based stuff? True, the first incantations were a poor joke, but they cleaned up their act pretty quickly. The nearest thing to a real BOSS/Roland *analog* multi would be something like my GP-8. That said, only the first 6 FX are true analog circuits, the delay and chorus are digital, but very good. I prefer the sound of the GP-8 for the effects it does for the most part over the GX-700, but the GX has the option of defining the effect order, defining where the loop is in the chain, level settings per effect and on the loop send/return, more effects in total, bypass, tuner, etc.

But, realistically, what's wrong with a BOSS ME something? You mentioned considering a BOSS DD7/8 earlier - the DD stands for Digital Delay, right. Digitech also make some nice multi-FX pedal packages and often work out a fair deal cheaper than BOSS. Just food for thought.

 

[fitz]

But, realistically, what's wrong with a BOSS ME something?

I was thinking of suggesting the same.
I had an ME-80 - it was great for a multitude of effects.
No LCD screens or programming / presets / patch BS, just knobs for everything.
All front end though (not 4CM capable), I sold it because I got addicted to TBE in the loop.

 

[jb5150]

Define analog. I guess anything chip based doesn't count, so even then the older BOSS COSM based stuff? True, the first incantations were a poor joke, but they cleaned up their act pretty quickly. The nearest thing to a real BOSS/Roland *analog* multi would be something like my GP-8. That said, only the first 6 FX are true analog circuits, the delay and chorus are digital, but very good. I prefer the sound of the GP-8 for the effects it does for the most part over the GX-700, but the GX has the option of defining the effect order, defining where the loop is in the chain, level settings per effect and on the loop send/return, more effects in total, bypass, tuner, etc.

But, realistically, what's wrong with a BOSS ME something? You mentioned considering a BOSS DD7/8 earlier - the DD stands for Digital Delay, right. Digitech also make some nice multi-FX pedal packages and often work out a fair deal cheaper than BOSS. Just food for thought.

Some good points,


I m mistaken, it's a Boss GT8


Boss DD500 sounds pretty nice

 

[jb5150]

So I swapped out all the 12AX7s, seemed fine for a few minutes...

the volume then goes up a bit and sounds not as thick, and drop back down. Power tubes?

 

[jb5150]

Are these the power tubes for the 40C? Or are they EL34M?

TUBE, JJ, EL34, APEX MATCHED PAIR

JJ EL34 Tube sold as PAIR MATCHED a. f. output pentode

leeselectronic.com

Seems bloody cheap.

 

[fitz]

Are these the power tubes for the 40C? Or are they EL34M?

TUBE, JJ, EL34, APEX MATCHED PAIR

JJ EL34 Tube sold as PAIR MATCHED a. f. output pentode

leeselectronic.com

Seems bloody cheap.

Any EL34 will work, along with a few other types of compatible tubes.
Yep, great price for a matched pair.

 

[fitz]

more info on compatable tubes:

EL34, 6CA7, KT77 Differences? - Tubes for Amps

Discover the differences between EL34, 6CA7, and KT77 tubes and purchase the right one for you. We have a large selection for you to choose from.

www.tubesforamps.com

 

[jb5150]

Any EL34 will work, along with a few other types of compatible tubes.
Yep, great price for a matched pair.

Is there any difference between these and the El34M?

 

[fitz]

Is there any difference between these and the El34M?

Any EL34, 6CA7, KT77 will work.
Yes, there is a difference.
That article I linked can probably explain better than I.
I run 6CA7's in my DSL20HR and E34L's in my O20H.
What you like better is up to you.
Welcome down the rabbit hole, Alice...

 

[FutureProf88]

So...my peavey 5150 combo collects dust at my folks' place as I'd rather not get evicted.

Currently I am using a little Spark amp that produces ~40 watts at 116SPL. That said I'm playing it at 2-3 volume.

The 40C/CR models make me a bit nervous as they can get quite loud. I know I could bring it down to 20watts but I'm reading it doesn't sound so hot at that volume.

I was thinking of the 20C or 20CR models, but even if they proved too loud and I added a JHS Little Black Amp Box Signal Converter
if that would suffice. As one commenter adds

"The Little Black Box pedal goes through the effects loop and acts as a master volume for the amp. Now I can max the volume to get that sweet tube overdrive and use the JHS pedal to reduce the volume to bedroom level. "

Maybe I should resign to sticking with my Spark for now or my computer setup.


Thoughts?

I’d go with a DSL1 if you want to get a Marshall for DSL20 money though, have you considered an attenuator for your 5150?

 

[jb5150]

Oh I know diff tubes diff tonal characteristics. But wasn't sure if 34M and 34 were the same or not.

 

[jb5150]

I’d go with a DSL1 if you want to get a Marshall for DSL20 money though, have you considered an attenuator for your 5150?

heheh way past that now.

 

[jb5150]

Sounds crackly, pretty sure it's the power tubes. Maybe I can get them tested tomorrow.

 

[steveb63]

Any EL34, 6CA7, KT77 will work.
Yes, there is a difference.
That article I linked can probably explain better than I.
I run 6CA7's in my DSL20HR and E34L's in my O20H.
What you like better is up to you.
Welcome down the rabbit hole, Alice...

And I will trying this recommendation this weekend.....

 

[scozz]

Oh I know diff tubes diff tonal characteristics. But wasn't sure if 34M and 34 were the same or not.

Not as much tonal differences as you might think with power tubes, the preamp is where the differences are more noticeable. The preamp tubes.

 

[BaguetteDePain]

I think that in the end this purchase will probably cost you as much as a new DSL40CR.

 

[ken361]

Maybe I need to be more specific of what sorta sound I'm shooting for.

Something like the old VH tone, which I can't get on the 5150. But I know to get that the amp really needs to be pushed hence I was thinking of the little black box. I'm not even 100% sure if the DSL is the way to go.

Just bought a EVH 5150 it sounds huge. can still sound decent it at low volume,has a load of low end if you need it.

 

[jb5150]

I think that in the end this purchase will probably cost you as much as a new DSL40CR.

Believe me that's a concern.

 

[jb5150]

Just bought a EVH 5150 it sounds huge. can still sound decent it at low volume,has a load of low end if you need it.

Already own one.

 

[jb5150]

Not as much tonal differences as you might think with power tubes, the preamp is where the differences are more noticeable. The preamp tubes.

I can grab the 2 EL334s and at least see if that resolves the issue.