Welcome to the forum not sure what would do that, mine are the 50H’s, and there is a slight hum when I power up, but my volume is always at zero on power up.
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Mitch
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Mitch
I have a question for you Origin users - is it safe to change the power mode while the amp is ON but with master volume and gain down to zero?
The manual says, if I remember correctly that you should change the power mode before powering up the amp, but some Youtuber testers have done it with their volume still up and nothing happened apart from an audible "pop" sound... what would you recommend me do?
The manual says, if I remember correctly that you should change the power mode before powering up the amp, but some Youtuber testers have done it with their volume still up and nothing happened apart from an audible "pop" sound... what would you recommend me do?
I've seen that same thing.
I believe I'll just follow Marshall's guidelines on this one........
Edgar Frog
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Holy crap I don't even remember seeing that in the manuel! I just recently did it a couple different times without even thinking! I even did it at volume. No pops or anything just heard the volume increase and decrease on each setting. What damage is it supposed to cause for I know if I did anything bad? Never did it before recently and wont do it again. I always have master and gain all the way down while powering up and down I clearly remember that in the manuel but always did that with any amp. I always keep guitar volumes at zero as well before unplugging/plugging in.
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I can't see that in my manual. I flick between power settings all the time, with master up and all.
Should probably contact marshall of you have doubts. They got back to me pretty quick when I wanted to check I could run it without load.
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Edgar Frog
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I checked mine again and on the very front page towards the bottom in small writing where it tells you the power up procedure it mentions selecting a power setting in the steps before powering it on. It mentions it as a step but there is no warning at all about doing it while it's on.
Here is a response I pulled from Marshall support from their website answering the question if it's safe to select settings while it's powered on.
"Regarding your ORI50, you can select between power outputs with the amplifier on, but it is not recommended to keep switching up and down the power output rapidly when playing.
Kind Regards
Marshall Support"
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Dammit now I need to invest in a tremolo pedal.
That’s the way I have been doing it, I just flick to the power setting I want before turning it on and volume is always on zero, because of no standby switch!!
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Okay, so I have to share an interesting situation which happened today in the studio . I was supposed to record rhythm guitars (double track) , guitar intro and solo - of course.
I own Origin 50c. Squier Stratocaster with Di Marzio Hs-3 in the bridge and neck positions, Boss NS-2 and Boss SD-1.
At rehearsals a month ago, I recorded a video and posted it all over Origin threads here.
The amp was in 5 watt mode, master on 10, tilt on 10, gain on 8, mids a hair above 8, bass 8, treble 6, presence 4. SD-1 was : level max, tone a hair over 12 o'clock, and DRIVE max. And it worked well... or so I thought.
Today at the studio me and two engineers were trying to find the sweet spot and to make the sound both natural and USEFUL. Because of the soundproof room, I turned the amp on 50w mode settings, I kept EQ exactly like I stated above, and I kept SD-1 settings the same.
And I got "brown sound", Van Halen type. Which is something I dislike. I hate distortion , even if it's natural. There was much more gain and overcompression. So, one of the engineers suggested that I should try lowering DRIVE setting on my SD-1 to 12 o'clock and then it was OK, it sounded like overdrive just a bit rougher overdrive. So I recorded rhythm guitars and it was okay.
But, when it came to the solo part - everything fell apart. I just couldn't get clarity and note separation I sought. At first I thought it was the problem with me, tension, insecurity, "this is just not my day, I guess". But when I played the solo, with my volume pot on guitar turned off, basically "unplugged", it came out clean and okay.
So we wasted another hour of me trying to pick very difficulty sequences trying to mute it etc.
But nothing worked.
Then another, very young engineer came to relieve those two older guys and at some point he was like "maybe the problem is in the booster". And then it clicked to me - I lowered DRIVE knob to 9 o'clock and voila - everything was perfect, I had sustain, I had overdrive sound/color, the note separation was there....
From this I learned the following > The higher the wattage mode, the more tubes will naturally distort , so you have to compensate with the pedal (ie, back the drive knob on SD-1 in my case). We even tried to put DRIVE knob at zero (which is how everyone uses it , but with JCM 800 and that amp has A WAY MORE gain than the Origin) and NOTHING happened. No sustain, no edge, nothing... but when I put it back at 9 o'clock, I got that good sound back.
Now, I am a bit afraid that I might have to redo rhythm guitars tomorrow with these newly found settings (which worked) on SD-1. But it's okay. Been playing for almost 6 hours straight, with a few 10 minute breaks for coffee, smokes, etc. Also, it seems that ... I SPEED AT NIGHT, since the best takes of solos and intros were captured at around half past 11 pm.
have a good one, good people, cheers,
Scott Noricsson of LA Sunset
I own Origin 50c. Squier Stratocaster with Di Marzio Hs-3 in the bridge and neck positions, Boss NS-2 and Boss SD-1.
At rehearsals a month ago, I recorded a video and posted it all over Origin threads here.
The amp was in 5 watt mode, master on 10, tilt on 10, gain on 8, mids a hair above 8, bass 8, treble 6, presence 4. SD-1 was : level max, tone a hair over 12 o'clock, and DRIVE max. And it worked well... or so I thought.
Today at the studio me and two engineers were trying to find the sweet spot and to make the sound both natural and USEFUL. Because of the soundproof room, I turned the amp on 50w mode settings, I kept EQ exactly like I stated above, and I kept SD-1 settings the same.
And I got "brown sound", Van Halen type. Which is something I dislike. I hate distortion , even if it's natural. There was much more gain and overcompression. So, one of the engineers suggested that I should try lowering DRIVE setting on my SD-1 to 12 o'clock and then it was OK, it sounded like overdrive just a bit rougher overdrive. So I recorded rhythm guitars and it was okay.
But, when it came to the solo part - everything fell apart. I just couldn't get clarity and note separation I sought. At first I thought it was the problem with me, tension, insecurity, "this is just not my day, I guess". But when I played the solo, with my volume pot on guitar turned off, basically "unplugged", it came out clean and okay.
So we wasted another hour of me trying to pick very difficulty sequences trying to mute it etc.
But nothing worked.
Then another, very young engineer came to relieve those two older guys and at some point he was like "maybe the problem is in the booster". And then it clicked to me - I lowered DRIVE knob to 9 o'clock and voila - everything was perfect, I had sustain, I had overdrive sound/color, the note separation was there....
From this I learned the following > The higher the wattage mode, the more tubes will naturally distort , so you have to compensate with the pedal (ie, back the drive knob on SD-1 in my case). We even tried to put DRIVE knob at zero (which is how everyone uses it , but with JCM 800 and that amp has A WAY MORE gain than the Origin) and NOTHING happened. No sustain, no edge, nothing... but when I put it back at 9 o'clock, I got that good sound back.
Now, I am a bit afraid that I might have to redo rhythm guitars tomorrow with these newly found settings (which worked) on SD-1. But it's okay. Been playing for almost 6 hours straight, with a few 10 minute breaks for coffee, smokes, etc. Also, it seems that ... I SPEED AT NIGHT, since the best takes of solos and intros were captured at around half past 11 pm.
have a good one, good people, cheers,
Scott Noricsson of LA Sunset
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Has anyone tried KT77s or 6ca7's in their Origin 20's? (Or know if it is possible?)
Something I wouldn't mind experimenting...
Something I wouldn't mind experimenting...
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no man I dont even fully understand how the cathode bias works so havent experimented. Please follow up if you do.
I've got JJ 6CA7'S in my ORI50.
Both KT77's and 6CA7's can be used in EL34 amps. They will bias up the same. Meaning the bias resistor in your amp has the range to bias those tubes because they are within the bias range of an EL34 tube and have the same pin outs.
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The 20 watt Origin is cathode biased and will accept any octal tube. KT77s and 6CA7s are basically direct replacements for EL34s. I have had success with both 6L6s and KT66s. I would like to try 6V6s, as I believe they would run closer to their usual voltages and may provide a more noticeable difference.
Note- KT66s are big tubes. In order to get them in the head the retainer clips must be removed. They barely cleared the top of the headshell when I installed them....
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Thanks for info chaps - I wasn't sure if the 20's unusual power amp would be a help or hindrance.
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In your opinions , for home using , which is the best setting volume and gain whit Origin 20h for using pedals Overdrive, fuzz and treble booster ? For sounds cranch or distortion.
