Amp modelers vs real deal

[Dogs of Doom]

So where ARE all these modeling amps you listed built? Japan? U.K? U.S.A? Inquiring minds want to know!

Kemper Germany...

 

[CraigP]

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I started out on SS gear, graduated to tubes. Now, I use FAS and have not turned on my other amps in months. However, I still get a kick out of all my gear. It's good stuff. Use what drives you.

 

[saxon68]

Yup, maybe someone should come up with an "amp modeler forum"..

Judging from the replies, it does seem there's a lot of folks on here that like modelers..I just find it funny none of them have cast a vote preferring them over a tube amp is all.

I did then changed it lol

 

[Dogs of Doom]

I think most that have them, would like to have "all the above" option of being able to play any of the above (maybe that's the best choice), whenever they want, because it doesn't have to be a choice of 1 or the other. Why can't it be both?

To answer either answer, I'd have to be dishonest...

 

[CraigP]

I think most that have them, would like to have "all the above" option of being able to play any of the above (maybe that's the best choice), whenever they want, because it doesn't have to be a choice of 1 or the other. Why can't it be both?

To answer either answer, I'd have to be dishonest...

Yes!

 

[DaDoc]

Kemper Germany...

Should be well made stuff if it's coming from Germany..Still not interested in buying any it though, I'd rather save my $$ for an old 100 watt JMP, and a 2061 HW!

Or a Fender, or a Vox..

 

[DaDoc]

I did then changed it lol

It's always a good thing whenever someone comes to their senses..

 

[Dmann]

And lastly, it looks like the poll is pretty silly as well, since so far there's been not a single vote cast favoring modelers.

I didn't vote because I have no preference. I use both daily usually together, sometimes separately, and any way that suits the moment as I enjoy playing ALL my gear regularly.

As for the votes, I mean this is an amp forum, one would accept the majority of members are here to discuss all things Marshall, and a fair amount of "Tube Snobbery" happens, not trying to cause drama, just stating the obvious, as I've been a member for a while, I've seen it all.

Its ok though, remember.

Its simply a preference, nothing more.

What I think the snobs are missing is, there's a real and substantial culture happening in today's world where its all about home studios and 8 string guitars and modeling and profiling and processing and presenting that through social media. These guys are still buying tube amps too BTW, but everything is digitally recorded and processed mostly with an Impulse Response loadbox. Gone are the days of cranking an isolated cab with a mic for the majority.

Try to keep an open mind. There are tools for every possible scenario, so instead of being stubborn, maybe just think about how it would be useful given a certain situation.

Further, all these statements are beyond silly

-"its not exactly the same as my tube amp."
- "it has to completely replace all my gear to be viable,"
- " it has to be 100% reliable to be viable,"
- "it can't be made in China to be viable,"

Then the price argument.... like $2000 is a lot lol for a top of the line modeler, and if you go big another $1000 for a top of the line FRFR powered cab.. A JCM800 RI and matching cab will run you $4000 after tax. That is with no pedals, no mic, no cables, etc. Then you have a pedal board with average pedal running $200 these days, add 6 of those plus cables and power supply theres another $1500. Don't forget a backup set of tubes.... oh and if you live in a place you can't turn it up? Add a loadbox on top of that.

While there can be no dispute for ones personal preference, to ignore all the benefits of modeling is foolish to say the least.

And..... Just in case it hasn't sunk in yet.

There is no unspoken law of life that states you must choose only Tubes or only modeling.

 

[CraigP]

 

[DaDoc]

Well, someone voted yes..I'm officially thwarted!

 

[DaDoc]

I didn't vote because I have no preference. I use both daily usually together, sometimes separately, and any way that suits the moment as I enjoy playing ALL my gear regularly.

As for the votes, I mean this is an amp forum, one would accept the majority of members are here to discuss all things Marshall, and a fair amount of "Tube Snobbery" happens, not trying to cause drama, just stating the obvious, as I've been a member for a while, I've seen it all.

Its ok though, remember.

Its simply a preference, nothing more.

What I think the snobs are missing is, there's a real and substantial culture happening in today's world where its all about home studios and 8 string guitars and modeling and profiling and processing and presenting that through social media. These guys are still buying tube amps too BTW, but everything is digitally recorded and processed mostly with an Impulse Response loadbox. Gone are the days of cranking an isolated cab with a mic for the majority.

Try to keep an open mind. There are tools for every possible scenario, so instead of being stubborn, maybe just think about how it would be useful given a certain situation.

Further, all these statements are beyond silly

-"its not exactly the same as my tube amp."
- "it has to completely replace all my gear to be viable,"
- " it has to be 100% reliable to be viable,"
- "it can't be made in China to be viable,"

Then the price argument.... like $2000 is a lot lol for a top of the line modeler, and if you go big another $1000 for a top of the line FRFR powered cab.. A JCM800 RI and matching cab will run you $4000 after tax. That is with no pedals, no mic, no cables, etc. Then you have a pedal board with average pedal running $200 these days, add 6 of those plus cables and power supply theres another $1500. Don't forget a backup set of tubes.... oh and if you live in a place you can't turn it up? Add a loadbox on top of that.

While there can be no dispute for ones personal preference, to ignore all the benefits of modeling is foolish to say the least.

And..... Just in case it hasn't sunk in yet.

There is no unspoken law of life that states you must choose only Tubes or only modeling.

 

[zachman]

Do you know how many kemper and Axe FX units go on tour? It’s rather shortsighted to say pros don’t take them very seriously.
Metallica
Journey
Def Leppard
Lonestar


There’s a ton more.

Ya, but to his defense he is consistent with his short-sighted comments illustrating his lack of deep thoughts

 

[zachman]

I know someone will have an answer to this..
Honestly I have never used or been around a Kemper...
Why would most tube amp snobs ditch their amps for a Kemper rig when most of them flip a finger @ most SS/Digital amps?

I honestly do no understand..are Kempers some amazing piece of equipment? I am sure I will catch hell for asking, but I just don’t understand what the deal is with this type of gear..

To accept a compromise to accommodate a limited touring budget

fwiw, I like Kemper-- but wouldn't take an 'instead of' tube amps approach. I tend to lean toward an 'in addition to' approach

 

[CraigP]

Well, someone voted yes..I'm officially thwarted!

Guilty !!!

 

[saxon68]

Should be well made stuff if it's coming from Germany..Still not interested in buying any it though, I'd rather save my $$ for an old 100 watt JMP, and a 2061 HW!

Or a Fender, or a Vox..

Or get a Kemper and have them all

 

[CraigP]

Or get a Kemper and have them all

But Fractal has the (more) amps, cab IR and FX outta this world!

 

[CraigP]

Well, someone voted yes..I'm officially thwarted!

There can be only one! I am highlander! LMAO

 

[KraftyBob]

I believe that Line 6 is manufactured in China. They are owned by Yamaha so no surprise there, but the Line 6 business is managed out of Calabasas, CA.

 

[DaDoc]

There can be only one! I am highlander! LMAO

Aye, it would seem the weight of the evidence is greatly against me..

 

[DaDoc]

Or get a Kemper and have them all

No, what I would have would be just a high-tech computerized gadget that sounds similar to all of them..

Sorry, but I'm just an old school curmudgeon, and like my old-school stuff..I remember when I was in college, and one of my instructors had one of those Pod thingies that he used while giving lessons..It was cool, and as a practice/teaching tool I could see where it would be useful.